Thanks guys, I did defoil this morning I took 3-4 lower branches and couple of fan leaves. I wish I read Spiders reponse before I did cause maybe I have been doing it wrong. Do you guys do it in stages or is it best to stress them once then let them heal. I know this isn't a question most with experience ask but just because I have done it a certain way doesn't mean it's correct, and Im willing to learn and change (Jessie)