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I top at 5th node.This is usually the time she shows you her sex then a week watch her take off lol . Stretch and flower. It is a tad bit faster in water though. When and if you get the Creme de la Chem , I would suggest lst with no topping or fim. She is short and compact and I grew twice. One topped one not. I got a better yield with the not topped. Imo it is because of her compact structure.