never used clonex don't have the need .....  i know i am a shade tree grower but have a good rate of success ...  a few years back the local grow shop had the clonex crew there ... when i tried 2 talk with them they were total ass hole's they done ever thing they could do 2 talk over my head and that there product is sent by god !!!!!  f~ck them and clonex don't need them just my 2 cent