I thought to myself what is he talking about, because I haven't been to the sales page in a while. I was surprised to see without any discounts they have doubled in price or damn near. Which makes em pretty much the same price as some of the American banks that I absolutely will not buy from. Only positive is I know Nirvana genetics are good. And yea Pacific is a good one, check out Farmers Lab. Glad my last order from Nirvana was a big one. They priced themselves in the same market as the Kushman cats are.