thanks SHB, canuk seeds are ok i suppose but i've had a few people i know run em and they moved on so........ anyways i know of a few greenhouse operations i could get unlimited clones for free but that's high risk for critters hitch hiking into my grow room. i figure that if i'm gonna pay a premium price for seeds i might as well pay a few pesos more and go to ethos , pacific seed bank ,old school breeders association  ggstrains etc. type of genetics . no offense to nirvana but if i'm gonna get rung up for seeds i'm gonna go higher shelf so to speak. this kinda blind sided me getting cut-off from nirvana so i'm left with little to no choice. nirvana has treated me very well doin biz with them but for all the hassle of attaining their seeds now with the mark-ups , questionable authenticity of seeds from the seed banks that carry them here it's just not gonna be logical to run their gear. as much as i like nirvana strains there is just no way now to ensure thats 100% of what i'm getting now. oh well , it's been fun while it lasted , bye nirvana, good luck with your biz and thanks again for selling to me while you could. i'm outta here , adios amigos!